I think, that you commit an error.
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Scott Faith June 28, Let me explain:. This gives cadets going into their final years of pre-commissioning training the opportunity to experience life in an active duty unit. But short of that, cadets can end up in just about anywhere. Sometimes cadets are relegated to less-meaningful duties, or endure some modicum of hazing as part of the experience.
Please note that this list may not be exhaustive and that you must bring both the original documents as well as photocopies of all documentation to expedite the in-clearance process.
Please ensure that both sides of cards and papers are copied:. It is best to minimize the clothing and belongings that you bring. During duty hours, cadets will be in the military dress of the day. Outside of duty hours, walk out dress for all years will be smart casual which is detailed as follows:. You may be moving across the country and will need to bring additional clothing, possessions, etc.
You will be provided non-secure storage for your belongings when you arrive at RMC. Ensure boxes and bags that you wish to be stored are labelled clearly with your full name. First Years will not be issued a parking permit until that time. But having learned this, it made me wonder when this would actually matter in any meaningful way. Outside of authorized developmental training events such as CTLT, no NCO is going to allow a cadet to swoop in and take charge of his platoon, squad, or section.
For example, if a division headquarters and headquarters company commander is temporarily absent, the executive officer as the senior regularly assigned Army Soldier who performs duties within the headquarters company would assume command and not the division commander. They assume command until relieved by proper authority except as provided in c.
Assumption of command under these conditions is announced per paragraph However, the announcement will indicate assumption as acting commander unless designated as permanent by the proper authority. A rescinding announcement is required if the temporary assumption of command is for an indefinite period.
Of course, there is another reason to treat West Point and ROTC cadets with respect: they are not going to be cadets forever. The best way to train cadets to be officers that their soldiers will look up to and their NCOs will respect is to treat them the way you want them to act. Or a sergeant major for that matter.
This essay is an unofficial expression of opinion; the views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of West Point, the Department of the Army, U. Forces Korea, the Department of Defense, or any agency of the U. Practice ought to comport with policy.
If cadets, during this valuable leadership experience, are not given the chance to act as lieutenants and acting platoon leaders, then the whole CLTC program should be scrapped.
Your comment reeks of arrogance. NCOs are the backbone of the Army and run the Army day to day as opposed to commanding it. I say this as a retired officer. I pray that you are only a LT yourself. Of course there is a certain type of officer who fails to get it.
For some reason a lot of angry major S3 types fall into this category. This information was not covered or taught. I can't speak for the Air Force, but the Navy certainly does. Mids rank between W-1 and W-2 last time I had occasion to check. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute.
Salutes will be exchanged between officers commissioned and warrant and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guardthe commissioned corps of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and the commissioned corps of the Public Health Service entitled to the salute.
Cadets are not commissioned nor do they possess a warrant. Per the order, they are not entitled to a salute.
Salute were means of communication. Knights lifted their helmet to recognize they friends from enemy. It is a chain of command situation. I always say Semper Fi or Airborne when I return salute. I'm popping into the conversation late, but I completely agree not that you can argue with the regs.
Here, as they have since , Naval/Officer Cadets receive military, academic, physical fitness and bilingualism training over four years. As it turns out, West Point cadets *do* outrank Army noncommissioned officers ( NCOs). Technically. Even after more than twenty years in. I think you should start by asking yourself why the idea of dating an NDA cadet/ officer fascinates you. I mean yes they are an amazing lot and.
Saluting a cadet completely invalidates the First Salute ceremony when they commission. They clearly outrank privates and are often assigned to leadership roles, but they aren't yet commissioned. I agree totally with enlisted not saluting a cadet. I spent 3 years as a MSG and never saluted a cadet.
First, what an insult to a SNCO that instead of a 1SG with 10 plus years of experience leading soldiers in the absence of officers A Cadet would be next in succession.
, which prohibited the dating of the commissions of cadets graduating in that for longevity increases, from the date of graduation for officers commissioned. This photograph of graduating cadets raising their fists is under historic photographs of uniformed military officers dating back to the s. personal relationship between an officer and an enlisted member that . Cadets: Dating between graduated, commissioned officers and cadets.
How dare enlisted swine preside over a command position? Are we really saying an NCO could not do that? Secondly, just because of this outdated regulation considering no cadets are assigned to any deployed units requires no customs or courtesy obligation from enlisted soldiers or officers. Seriously get over yourselves West Point you produce officers like any other university and they are no better or worse than anyone else.
You earn everything in the Army. No commission? No salute. Thanks for your disgustingly pointless article. Ask any enlisted person and they will tell you that westpointers are arrogant and on need of a lot of training. A lot of people have been killed in combat because of the arrogance of westpointers. First off the reg says regularly assigned personnel, which the Cadets are not. No Salute should be required or rendered.
Cadets are never saluted. They aren't commissioned yet, and as pointed out above, they are considered equivalent to an E So you are incorrect when you say that Cadets outrank me. Plus, it's not typically possible for a Cadet to be a " regularly assigned member" of any unit other than their school unit. By reg,they can't command or lead troops in the field. They aren't " in the pipeline" yet regarding trainingexperience or anything else yet.
Technically, they aren't even qualified to fulfill a team leader slot. Actually, cadets do fill positions in the National Guard in the Simultaneous Membership Program and can be assigned to an O-2 slot for a period of years.
Nope, date away (between commissioned officers that is)! But not in . Coast Guard Academy cadets and officer candidates (both OCS and. --You are an officer who regularly hangs out with some of your Dating, shared living accommodations other than those directed by. And there's a loophole to the loophole: Getting married does not prevent an officer's command from taking action against any dating or sexual.
No, they won't deploy in that position, but they can and do attend annual training and NTC rotations and can act as Platoon Leader. You have to look at national guard and the reserves. Both have an option for Cadets to be apart of a simultaneous membership program.
I am a cadet and am military police and drill with them as well. AR lists command structure. That is why cadets dont go to parade rest while talking to NCOs. We only go to attention for officers. Dont take it as a sign of disrespect however.United States Marine Corps Boot Camp Training - Officer Candidate School
We are officers in training and when we get a chanve at a leadership role with the guidance of the NCOs it will ensure our success as officers. Joined: Feb 2, Messages: 3, Likes Received: I don't think that there is any ucmj prohibition against officers dating or marrying enlisted as long as they aren't in the same chain of command.
I have certainly seen that and don't know anyone who ever gave it a thought, though it probably limited what social events you went to. As for dating other officers- when we were both Captains, I married a woman who became the best looking Colonel in the Army, which means that she did better than me in her career and certainly is far smarter and far far better looking to boot. Lots of folks gave her grief about her choice in husband- but bad taste was not a ucmj offense when we got married.
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It did make finding assignments more challenging, though the beauty of being Infantry and Signal Corps meant that there were always reasonable Army duty stations that had some slots we could fill. Joined: Jun 9, Messages: 2, Likes Received: Sam, I think you got the gist of it already in your three points. No one in either of our chains cares at all and I don't really think anyone thought it was strange. I see it fairly often around me anyway. I've also seen very odd combinations that I raised my eyebrows at but never saw addressed.
Yes, Sergeant, Actually That West Point Cadet Does Outrank You
Joined: Apr 6, Messages: 1, Likes Received: NorwichDadApr 29, Maybe it's just a Coast Guard regulation Joined: Jan 4, Messages: 2, Likes Received: An Army briefing concerning fraternization Prohibited relationships between Soldiers of different ranks A compromise of integrity of supervisory authority or chain of command.
Prohibited personal relationships between officers and enlisted personnel include On-going business relationships between officers and enlisted personnel.
Business relationships which exist at the time this policy becomes effective, and that were authorized under previously existing rules and regulations, are exempt until March 1, In the case of Army National Guard or United States Army Reserve personnel, this prohibition does not apply to relationships that exist due to their civilian occupation or employment.
This prohibition does not apply toŚ 1 Marriages that predate the effective date of this policy or entered into prior to March 1, Commanders will ensure that personal relationships which exist between Soldiers of different ranks emanating from their civilian careers will not influence training, readiness, or personnel actions.
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